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2023-03-14 at 7:21 pm #7311Johannes WijsmanParticipant
I am a Dutch national, currently living as a retiree in Belgium, who has worked for Schlumberger in France twice: 1989-1992 for wireline and 1995-1997 for Sedco Forex. What I only later found out is that for some strange reason, my employment in France was reported to the authorities under two different social security numbers. The first one was used for 1989-1992 and the year 1995, the second SSN for the years 1996 and 1997. When, in 2002, a relevé de carrière was mailed to me in Sugar Land by the CNAV in Tours it only showed the 1996-1997 period. I filled out the reply form and enclosed all the supporting documents of my 1989-1992 and 1995 employment periods with Schlumberger in France and thought the problem was solved.
In 2009 I created an account on the web site of the CNAV and requested a relevé de carrière in the assumption the two dossiers had been merged. No such luck. Again, submitted proof of the 1989-1992 and 1995 employment and asked for the two SSN’s to be merged. I’ll spare you the details of my further five attempts to get this sorted. Then, in March 2020, I sent a registered letter to the Carsat Nord Picardie in Villeneuve d’Ascq (who are tasked with helping Belgian and Dutch residents with French retirement claims). I was contacted via e-mail by Nathalie Debusschere (technicienne retraite résidents étrangers) who would help me to get the two accounts merged. In the subsequent months she requested all kinds of documents, which I was able to supply as I have always kept anything official looking. She also requested my employment history in other European countries so I would reach the minimum number of trimesters to qualify for a pro rata French state pension. Some of these documents were difficult to obtain, like a birth certificate “avec filiation” which is not standard in The Netherlands. I submitted the last of the required documents in July 2021. Then ……. nothing. I tried to contact Mme Debusschere again in December 2021 but to no avail.
I have started receiving pension payments from several countries, as all now have a different retirement age for a 100% pension. But so far, nothing from France. When I call Carsat Nord Picardie the only reply I get is that “nous sommes sur le point de fusionner les deux comptes, mais c’est très complique et ces manipulations prennent du temps”. I am now 67 years old and 5 years past the French retirement age. I could die before the French bureaucracy finally manages to merge these two accounts! Is there anybody who can help me, or can direct me to somebody who can? Or is there somebody in Schlumberger tasked with these things (as the root cause error was Schlumberger’s)?
All help truly appreciated,
Johannes Wijsman
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2023-03-14 at 7:58 pm #7312ASLB WebadminKeymaster
Hello Johannes,
I appreciate your challenges in dealing with the Schlumberger French since I also have to deal with them following my 4 years in France, though not with the added complexity that you have of 2 assignments!
Regrettably ALLIANCE Schlumberger is not setup not has the mandate to deal with pensions enquires. However from my own experience a couple of years ago Christine Cellier ccellier@slb.com provided Schlumberger support for non-French applying for French pensions. I suggest that you try to contact her, though whether she can speed up Carsat Nord Picardie I doubt.
Regards … Mike Gibbs
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2023-03-25 at 3:39 am #7329Charles IngoldParticipant
This is highly regrettable. I have had a few things to sort out with the CNAV, Agirc and Arrco. As to retirement age, it is 62 only if you have 42 years of contributions. In my case, I retired on the french side at 67 as I only had 20 to 24 years of contributions (24 taking into account my US period). There is one thing to remember, in order to boost your retirement, it is to your advantage (unless you die tomorrow) to take it at 67. There is one more problem though. If at 67 you don’t have 42 years of contribution you will loose (For the CNAV only) 5 % per year missing up to a maximum of 10 years (or 50%). If you can show you have period assimilated outside France (like the US or the rest of Europe) provided you reach at least 33 years or more, you will suffer a minor penalty. (In my case, I was so far off that I decided to take my benefit without getting credit for my US Period. The only interest in getting credit for a US period in France is to have a reduced penalty on the french side). Normally, these people at CNAV tell you to contact them 3 to 6 months maximum before retiring but in case of late payments they will adjust accordingly. Also, it is highly advisable to ask for a career recap as of the age of 50. Schlumberger was helping out this process and I even believe it has become part of the law. Doing a career recap would have helped in detecting such a problem. Good luck.
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2023-09-29 at 8:45 am #7616Johannes WijsmanParticipant
I am happy to report that, after a struggle of 3.5 years, Carsat Nord Picardie finally merged the pension rights that I had, recorded under two different social security numbers. Not sure this is of any help to other Alliance members, but what finally did the trick was me contacting the Belgian Pension Administration. Turns out they have a small team tasked with foreign pension issues and they meet with a Carsat representative on a monthly basis. That person got the ball rolling and my first payment showed up in my bank account a few weeks later.
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